Yesterday, I talked with Atlanta-based running coach Jeanne Torre about how we think about how we run — how to approach running with goals, purpose and a strategy, vs. simply going out for a run. (I’ll publish our interview very soon!)
It got me thinking and wanted to ask you guys: how do you approach your running? With goals and a plan for different kinds of runs? Or do you just “wing it”? — Terrell
My goal is to stay at least one step ahead of Father Time. I use a “rolling” 12-month plan to maintain both endurance and strength. I base it around six half marathons per year with a 5 or 10k in the months between, usually focused on a fun theme. My typical training week is three runs of various types (tempo, fartlek, etc) and two strength workouts. I tried upping to eight halfs, but found that counter-productive because there wasn’t enough time for training, tapering, and recovery. The strategy has served me well. I am faster and stronger, and have greater endurance than I had 10 years ago. I just turned 70 and my finish times will usually put me in the top quarter of the 40-44 year group. I intend to be even better when I turn 80.
You're a rock star David...as an older runner I get where you are coming from...not to be too pushy, but...can you share in detail what a typical couple of weeks of training is for you...I totally think I am adopting this "rolling" training lifestyle! Thanks Terrell for opening this dialogue to all of us!
Assuming there are about six weeks between the half marathons, the week following the first half is recovery with 1-2 short (5k or so) runs and one circuit on the resistance machines. The next four weeks, MWSa, 5-mile runs, a slow run M, fartleks W, pace training for the next half Sa. Or, if there’s a 5 or 10k in that window, I count that in lieu of pace training. T and F are strength days, and Th and Su are rest days. The week before the next half , tapering down to 5k at half marathon pace on M and W, and rest days T, Th, F. I’m probably about 80% faithful to this routine, but adjust according to other commitments, fatigue, or mild injury.
By rolling, I mean that after next Sunday’s half (Crawlin’ Crab), I will shop for next October’s run. I have already scheduled most of my organized runs through next September. After my coming November half (Norfolk Harbor Half), I’ll figure out what next November looks like.
I do try to be opportunistic and stay flexible in case something interesting pops up and usually don’t lock in a registration until about 90-60 days out.
I have a relatively consistent strategy. I go no more than a week, a few runs, before I focus on improving something. I try not to set strict goals in terms of miles or number of runs/week. Instead, I focus on mechanics and methods. Things like foot placement, different types of breathing, finding a 'new gear', precision pace over specific distances. Sometimes these experiments work to my benefit, other times not so much. This puts me in a place where I continuously learn, trying new things (and not just new shoes). While there is certainly benefit in maintaining one's conditioning, there is also always room for improvement - even if that means slowing down or taking a break, as that can be part of the learning curve and a good recovery practice. The discovery process, to learn and grow, to try something new and not get stuck in one gear, one method... When I lose that inspiration I simply take a break and focus on something else [swim, bike, OCR] - and return to running when I feel it calling me.
I love that you used the word ‘experiment!’ I am always encouraging coaching clients (in health and running coaching) to view an endeavor as just that - an experiment. And, like you said - be open to what’s to be learned from it all vs. viewing it as good or bad, failure or success.
totally wing it. I run just feel good. And be outside. And use my body. I love races but it's just a test to see how fast I can finish but not with any specific training. I love being around other runners too. but as far as everyday runs, it's about just feeling good. I'd like to learn more about the goal setting though. and some strategy.
I do half and whole marathons. I'm about to do the Hartford Marathon Oct 12th. I would love to be trained properly for it but as it stands I'm just going to wing it. :)
Ever consider running a 50k ultra marathon? Run by feel opposed to pace. Much smaller, friendly crowds. Lot of experienced runners. Road ultra's are good place to begin. I use to run half marathons- total mileage is pretty much same as 50k training. Longest training run is a bit longer and more hill running.
I have never considered it. I do just love endurance. I'm not fast- I used to be able to run a 3:33 marathon but that was like 8 years ago. But now I can still run long distances but just at a relaxed pace. I would try to do an ultra (just trying to wrap my head around saying that sentence) I don't even know where to start..
I completed my first 50K trail run this year in honor of my 50th birthday. I was not prepared as my longest training run was one 17 miler. I did train for the numerous hills I knew I would encounter. My trouble was not training for the downhills and my quads were not happy. I thought I blew my knee out when in fact it was just my IT/Quads cramping up. Slow and steady is my mantra! Trail runners are so incredibly supportive and the scenery was so beautiful. Sometimes you just have to stop and marvel!
ultras- need more stamina/endurance then speed. Course are so varied, plus lot of amazing scenery. If you would like help (free of course) I would be willing to try to assist you. Contact: larry.pelkey@gmail.com
I'm the same way I always wing it. I'll be winging it this weekend in Bellingham WA. I just enjoy just running and being around other people and their different levels of excitement at races.
I run 3-4 miles several days a week and one longer run of 5-7 miles, but besides trying to keep a steady pace I don’t do anything technical on the Superstition foothills here. Sometimes I’ll walk two miles and then run.
I put in about 30-35 miles per week with about 70% at easy run pace, not going over 140 bpm pace. I do run tempos for about 25 minutes at half marathon pace and interval runs at 6x400m every week. My half marathon is coming up this weekend and for that reason i started to put in only 10 miles this week with very easy pace to rest my body.
I learned how to plan and train for marathons in a USA fit club many years ago, including being an assistant coach for 5 of those years. The mental and physical training is in my bones, but more relaxed and appropriate to my aging ability. Running/walking 4-5 times per week with a different goal or location each time to keep it interesting. I can do a half any time but need to do more miles for a marathon. Strength training several times per week. Tai Chi. Being flexible enough to change the workout as needed. Not being too serious. Love doing races of all distances.
Goes back to why you run in the first place. There are those that have specific goals regarding time, speed, pace, etc. They are structured around plans. For them, running is somewhat of a lifestyle. The rest of us look at running as a tool to keep weight off, maintain cardiovascular fitness, a form of exercise, something useful to accomplish a purpose unrelated to how we finish in any event. I run 3-4 times a week, no speed work, lift twice a week, and listen to my body. Really tired? Take a day off.
Yes! The WHY! Because intention isn't just about training plans and goal times. Back when the kiddos were really little running was my favorite way to get out of the house, get fresh air, move and feel like ME.
I just wing it!!! Each one of us got wings ..it’s knowing and understand it ..why? How? And what?we all human ...we not LIMITED🙏🙏❤️Love y’all and respect
I started running in December last year just for my health. On September 15 I ran the City of Rose's half-marathon in Cape Girardeau, Mo. When I started last December I couldn't get through a mile, so my plan formed itself, eat plenty and run farther. In April I signed up for the half-marathon and set a standard distance of 4 miles with the occasional 6-7 mile. In August everything ramped up, week one 4 miles every other day, week two 7 miles every other day, week three 9 miles twice, week four I ran one 10.5 miles. Then rested and only ran a couple of times about 2-3 miles until the race. Beat my goal by 22 minutes. Loved every second of it. Oh yeah, treadmills suck... Outside no matter what.
While I also prefer running outside, and I don't disagree about the dreadmill suckage, there is something positive to be said for putting in miles on a somewhat softer surface - better the treadmill absorb some of those miles than my knees, ankles, hips, etc... Especially for those weeks and months where we pile on the miles.
There is also the safety factor, no matter how visible you are there is always someone who won't see you for whatever reason. I cannot tell you how many times I thought 'no way someone would miss me' and almost got hit. RoadID only helps afterwards, unfortunately.
For me, my body is thankful for my offloading some 'soft miles' on a treadmill. I can concentrate more on my form and function rather than allocate that energy to an ongoing scan of my surroundings. Often times, I feel much more comfortable on a treadmill, which also lowers baseline stress, which lowers my HR and lends to higher HRV - and provides me with valuable information on a deterministic platform.
I have also used a treadmill to acclimate in preparation for events in climates I am not familiar with. Being able to control temperature, humidity, the flow of air - or lack of. This can be achieved on a treadmill and can be of significant benefit in race prep.
To each their own, but for most of us I think a mix is very healthy. Perhaps with the exception of those lucky few who can pound pavement to no end, where the laws of physics do not apply, not that I have ever met any of those people, but I am sure they exist ;-)
I agree that what works is what we should do. I have a friend who only runs on a treadmill. I'm happy he found what works for him. I just can't find any fun in them.
Always outside, if hot day, go out earlier and sometime that might require a shorter run but it's enjoying the run, enjoying getting into a rhythm and knowing your body and then push just a bit more...
I view the weather as a training method. Rain, wind, cold, heat all pose an experience to be had. Races take place in all kinds of elements. I do enjoy my runs and appreciate the fact that I'm able to run in the rain, etc. Soon it will be cold again and this winter will be different than the last one. This will prepare me for the 10k on New Years Day 2020.
YES! Once I changed my inner dialogue about these things and looked at them as opportunities to get better vs. variables to dread, my runs changed immensely! MO native? STL native here. #gocards
Having only been at this thing we call running for going on 2 years now, I still need training plans with a goal race at the end to keep me motivated and on track. However, the last 6 weeks have been trying as I'm dealing with a calf strain that will not go away... I look forward to the day when I'm running for pleasure (I mean, I kinda am now, but with some structure) and not paying attention to time/distance. :)
Bill - Just left a physical therapy session due to a calf strain. It’s been lingering since a HM in early July. Think we finally found out why. Finding the “why” behind your calf strain will help make you stronger in the long term. Hang in there!!
After the 1/2 marathon I just finished I’m struggling with some kind injury to my upper thigh. It started with a strain on the psoas muscle. I always stretch before hand. I guess I’m training too hard. I always run for pleasure.
I have a plan for building miles, which is working. The times are coming down on their own. I'm a middle of the pack guy, I think of my time more in a range so 10 or 20 seconds a mile don't matter much.
I’m new member: love the heat as long as I have water | Did one half marathon in Jan water at water cups were frozen solid / also was with a group during tornado / took cover til tornado passed Would be interested in everyone’s fav marathon / event or 1/2 Deb in Tx
You know I do it both ways. Some days are smell the roses day Where I purposely stop and look around and enjoy where I’m at. Most times though I’m tied to my cadence my pace my top speed
My running style has not changed other than a bit slower, eat reasonably healthy, still run three days a week consistently and always average about 10 miles in preparation for any half marathon. For a Marathon I'll increase my training distance up to but not more than 17 miles but generally it's a 13 mile run. The energy of other runners, picking up the pace of other runners, especially as I try to identify as best possible people that may look like in my division and always listen to the body and push a bit further. Now in the 75-79 age division next March's L.A. Marathon, my 21st Marathon not all L.A., have done Disney World, Boston, Long Beach, California that had qualified me for Boston, I don't expect to need to change much just continue my Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday morning runs and distance. It's all a pleasure of course and always listen to the old body but never give up. Running is a pleasure ..T.M.I. sorry..
You are awesome... I'm curious, has your longest run pre-marathon always been 17 miles? I am training for marathon #8 (CIM) and always fret about how high the mileage should be. I cap out at 20 miles, but this time I plan to go to 22 miles for longest run. But after reading your post I am now rethinking that strategy.
Yes 17 miles was my furthest in training for a Marathon, If you are a runner you get to know your body and get energy in any race from other runners, always stay positive, stay flexible and effect what you can affect but don't give up even if that means on a marathon you have to walk a bit, then you'll get a second wind and pick up the energy from the other runners. Always just enjoy the run, the rhythm and appreciate the privilege to be able to run. I'll put my coffee down now.
Different kind of runs- If the course I will be racing on is hilly, rolling hills, flat will of course influence my training a bit. If possible I like to get in a couple of training runs on the actual course that the upcoming race is on. I usually pick a couple of races each year to peak at and a few races just to keep sharp and race without any real time goals.
Training- I will have weekly goals, but these are not written in stone. Leading up to a race I might have a 4 week training block of 300 miles. Will include one run of at least 24 miles. Another week will have several runs between 12-15 miles.
Training pace- I check my warmup (3 miles). Then I break down the run into sections of 2-5 miles. I simply maintain pace as the run continues. I do use my watch (forerunner 15+10). during training. During a race I try not to use the watch.
Cross training- I don't do any. When I'm not running this is the time to rest physically & mentally.
Goals- I try to improve on one or two races I ran the year before. I do like to run different races and distances. I want to feel like I have actually accompolished something so I do tend to pick out harder races. The time might not be as fast as an easy course but if you exceed the time the following year you do see an improvement.
Training runs are simply workouts to get you to reach your racing goals. There are no awards for fast training runs. Just being consistent and injury free should be of the utmost importance when preparing for race day.
I have found it helps to have a goal, or at least some reason to be consistent in running. That being said, I haven't been real strict with the training plan, so I guess I'm winging it. When I started training in January for my first half marathon, it was cold, injured my knee and thought I was making a big mistake. My chiropractor worked with me through the training and said I just couldn't do as much running as my training plan. I still ran 2-3 times a week. I also did a lot of spinning and probably not enough resting because I was worried I wasn't training enough. The half marathon was a success because I finished. I am now training for my 2nd half. It's not cold and I don't have an injury. Running is so much more of a joy. I'm still not running more than 2-3 times a week, but I'm taking more time for rest. My time has improved by 30 minutes. My weekly training routes are very hilly (Connecticut) - lots of short steeps and long gradual inclines, so no other special "hill repeat" workouts are required. However, my long run route is mostly a flat. I found that I actually prefer the hill runs - something I thought I would never hear myself say! I am grateful for the ability and hope it's something I can continue for decades to come - I'm 53 and never thought I would be running a few years ago. I always said I would never do a marathon, but now I'm actually considering it for next year. I don't want running to become something I don't enjoy and I'm afraid marathon training might be too much. However, I do like a good challenge! I think I'll enjoy a few more 13.1's before I make that leap & sign up for 26.2!
I have done structured running plans with success. I have done intervals to finish painful races. I have walked hours just to get miles on the feet. Done hill work in the middle of the night for Ragnars. Finish, don't puke on anyone, don't die, these have all been goals. Different goals for different times in my life. Recovery runs after injury vs going balls out for a PR when it was freezing. All of those are good and part of who I am as a running, then there are those zen like runs with no plan, no Garmins or monitors or races or waterstops, those are the best that i can remember.
I do tend to “wing it.” I try to get into a good rhythm with breathing etc. and I go from there. It’s all about the rhythm. Music is very helpful. I can’t run with slow music
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I receive a weekly schedule from my coach, so my runs are planned and with goals and purpose. What is not planned is the route I take, I walk out my front door and then decide on a direction which might change while I am out running. I track my distance and speed on my garmin
If I’m training I have some sort of structured plan, but I also leave with a good better best, in case it’s just not going the way I planned I can still feel accomplished. If I am not training for a race, then I let me legs and body guide me. I compare similar distances performances with the same distances from a year ago to see if my casual and training runs are keeping up or improving to a year ago.
I thrive on setting goals so I plan out every run if training for a race, but I can get a little intense with the planning and dissecting of the data-run pace, time, mileage when training so I make sure I have at least one of my weekly shorter runs where I just "wing it". Run for the pure joy of it and no gadgets. It helps keep balance.
I used to follow a training plan but I faced setbacks with overuse injuries for every half marathon. Now I only run 3 times a week, 4-5 miles twice plus one long run — pyramid up to 10 miles then scale down. On the off days I practice yoga — yin, hatha or hot vinyasa. I trained this way for a half this past March that I wasn’t able to run because I picked up the chikungunya virus in Thailand (which led to 3 additional months on the sideline with chikungunya arthritis). However, the fact that I fully trained without suffering an overuse injury was a breakthrough accomplishment for me. I felt amazing one week out from race day till I got the virus. It took me a while to appreciate this fact but this community helped me to realize and appreciate that underlying success so thank you all for sharing your journeys! Now I’m back in the same training mode for a half in early December and filled with gratitude to be running again!
I wish I could more often wing it. I think it would be really good for me. But I am of the other, more structured using the Hal Higdon training schedule. I was all set to run the Fox Cities half marathon last Sunday, but all events for that day were cancelled an hour before the start due to lightening that accompanied the storms in the area at the time. I was disappointed but I felt mentally okay about it until early afternoon that day and the biggest feeling of inadequacy came over me. About that time is when I would normally begin feeling like a human again with the adrenaline levels returning to baseline. The whole day felt like a waste. That feeling lasted until Tuesday evening when I learned from a friend at my gym that 3 organizations that I am loosely affiliated with joined together to plan to have a turn- by-turn course with water, Gatorade and some fruit stops for THIS Sunday! Fox Cities has indicated that runners could do a virtual run, then provide the verification that you did the run and they will award you the medal. So I am back! All I did since Sunday was a strength and cardio warrior class on M, ran 3 T, yoga boot camp W, and a 30-minute youtube yoga session at home last night. I am excited for Sunday!
My goal is to stay at least one step ahead of Father Time. I use a “rolling” 12-month plan to maintain both endurance and strength. I base it around six half marathons per year with a 5 or 10k in the months between, usually focused on a fun theme. My typical training week is three runs of various types (tempo, fartlek, etc) and two strength workouts. I tried upping to eight halfs, but found that counter-productive because there wasn’t enough time for training, tapering, and recovery. The strategy has served me well. I am faster and stronger, and have greater endurance than I had 10 years ago. I just turned 70 and my finish times will usually put me in the top quarter of the 40-44 year group. I intend to be even better when I turn 80.
You're a rock star David...as an older runner I get where you are coming from...not to be too pushy, but...can you share in detail what a typical couple of weeks of training is for you...I totally think I am adopting this "rolling" training lifestyle! Thanks Terrell for opening this dialogue to all of us!
Oh - and I also like to do at least one or two obstacle runs per year, just to keep me honest on strength training.
Assuming there are about six weeks between the half marathons, the week following the first half is recovery with 1-2 short (5k or so) runs and one circuit on the resistance machines. The next four weeks, MWSa, 5-mile runs, a slow run M, fartleks W, pace training for the next half Sa. Or, if there’s a 5 or 10k in that window, I count that in lieu of pace training. T and F are strength days, and Th and Su are rest days. The week before the next half , tapering down to 5k at half marathon pace on M and W, and rest days T, Th, F. I’m probably about 80% faithful to this routine, but adjust according to other commitments, fatigue, or mild injury.
By rolling, I mean that after next Sunday’s half (Crawlin’ Crab), I will shop for next October’s run. I have already scheduled most of my organized runs through next September. After my coming November half (Norfolk Harbor Half), I’ll figure out what next November looks like.
I do try to be opportunistic and stay flexible in case something interesting pops up and usually don’t lock in a registration until about 90-60 days out.
Love it, totally stealing this approach! Thanks David!!!
No need to steal a gift.
Love your plan!! Right behind you in the race of life!
Kinda loving the idea of a rolling 12 month plan!
You are an inspiration!
I have a relatively consistent strategy. I go no more than a week, a few runs, before I focus on improving something. I try not to set strict goals in terms of miles or number of runs/week. Instead, I focus on mechanics and methods. Things like foot placement, different types of breathing, finding a 'new gear', precision pace over specific distances. Sometimes these experiments work to my benefit, other times not so much. This puts me in a place where I continuously learn, trying new things (and not just new shoes). While there is certainly benefit in maintaining one's conditioning, there is also always room for improvement - even if that means slowing down or taking a break, as that can be part of the learning curve and a good recovery practice. The discovery process, to learn and grow, to try something new and not get stuck in one gear, one method... When I lose that inspiration I simply take a break and focus on something else [swim, bike, OCR] - and return to running when I feel it calling me.
I love that you used the word ‘experiment!’ I am always encouraging coaching clients (in health and running coaching) to view an endeavor as just that - an experiment. And, like you said - be open to what’s to be learned from it all vs. viewing it as good or bad, failure or success.
totally wing it. I run just feel good. And be outside. And use my body. I love races but it's just a test to see how fast I can finish but not with any specific training. I love being around other runners too. but as far as everyday runs, it's about just feeling good. I'd like to learn more about the goal setting though. and some strategy.
Sarah Z, What length distances are you currently racing at? Are you looking to train to run longer distances?
I do half and whole marathons. I'm about to do the Hartford Marathon Oct 12th. I would love to be trained properly for it but as it stands I'm just going to wing it. :)
Ever consider running a 50k ultra marathon? Run by feel opposed to pace. Much smaller, friendly crowds. Lot of experienced runners. Road ultra's are good place to begin. I use to run half marathons- total mileage is pretty much same as 50k training. Longest training run is a bit longer and more hill running.
I have never considered it. I do just love endurance. I'm not fast- I used to be able to run a 3:33 marathon but that was like 8 years ago. But now I can still run long distances but just at a relaxed pace. I would try to do an ultra (just trying to wrap my head around saying that sentence) I don't even know where to start..
I completed my first 50K trail run this year in honor of my 50th birthday. I was not prepared as my longest training run was one 17 miler. I did train for the numerous hills I knew I would encounter. My trouble was not training for the downhills and my quads were not happy. I thought I blew my knee out when in fact it was just my IT/Quads cramping up. Slow and steady is my mantra! Trail runners are so incredibly supportive and the scenery was so beautiful. Sometimes you just have to stop and marvel!
ultras- need more stamina/endurance then speed. Course are so varied, plus lot of amazing scenery. If you would like help (free of course) I would be willing to try to assist you. Contact: larry.pelkey@gmail.com
Sounds like your runs are very intentional!
I'm the same way I always wing it. I'll be winging it this weekend in Bellingham WA. I just enjoy just running and being around other people and their different levels of excitement at races.
I run 3-4 miles several days a week and one longer run of 5-7 miles, but besides trying to keep a steady pace I don’t do anything technical on the Superstition foothills here. Sometimes I’ll walk two miles and then run.
I put in about 30-35 miles per week with about 70% at easy run pace, not going over 140 bpm pace. I do run tempos for about 25 minutes at half marathon pace and interval runs at 6x400m every week. My half marathon is coming up this weekend and for that reason i started to put in only 10 miles this week with very easy pace to rest my body.
I learned how to plan and train for marathons in a USA fit club many years ago, including being an assistant coach for 5 of those years. The mental and physical training is in my bones, but more relaxed and appropriate to my aging ability. Running/walking 4-5 times per week with a different goal or location each time to keep it interesting. I can do a half any time but need to do more miles for a marathon. Strength training several times per week. Tai Chi. Being flexible enough to change the workout as needed. Not being too serious. Love doing races of all distances.
Goes back to why you run in the first place. There are those that have specific goals regarding time, speed, pace, etc. They are structured around plans. For them, running is somewhat of a lifestyle. The rest of us look at running as a tool to keep weight off, maintain cardiovascular fitness, a form of exercise, something useful to accomplish a purpose unrelated to how we finish in any event. I run 3-4 times a week, no speed work, lift twice a week, and listen to my body. Really tired? Take a day off.
Yes! The WHY! Because intention isn't just about training plans and goal times. Back when the kiddos were really little running was my favorite way to get out of the house, get fresh air, move and feel like ME.
I just wing it!!! Each one of us got wings ..it’s knowing and understand it ..why? How? And what?we all human ...we not LIMITED🙏🙏❤️Love y’all and respect
I started running in December last year just for my health. On September 15 I ran the City of Rose's half-marathon in Cape Girardeau, Mo. When I started last December I couldn't get through a mile, so my plan formed itself, eat plenty and run farther. In April I signed up for the half-marathon and set a standard distance of 4 miles with the occasional 6-7 mile. In August everything ramped up, week one 4 miles every other day, week two 7 miles every other day, week three 9 miles twice, week four I ran one 10.5 miles. Then rested and only ran a couple of times about 2-3 miles until the race. Beat my goal by 22 minutes. Loved every second of it. Oh yeah, treadmills suck... Outside no matter what.
I hear you, Paul. I have a treadmill and use it (because Atlanta gets so hot, even now in late September), but I much prefer running outside.
To beat the heat I run very early or late, hydrate alot. I found for me heat shortens my distance, but seems to equal a similar level of workout.
While I also prefer running outside, and I don't disagree about the dreadmill suckage, there is something positive to be said for putting in miles on a somewhat softer surface - better the treadmill absorb some of those miles than my knees, ankles, hips, etc... Especially for those weeks and months where we pile on the miles.
There is also the safety factor, no matter how visible you are there is always someone who won't see you for whatever reason. I cannot tell you how many times I thought 'no way someone would miss me' and almost got hit. RoadID only helps afterwards, unfortunately.
For me, my body is thankful for my offloading some 'soft miles' on a treadmill. I can concentrate more on my form and function rather than allocate that energy to an ongoing scan of my surroundings. Often times, I feel much more comfortable on a treadmill, which also lowers baseline stress, which lowers my HR and lends to higher HRV - and provides me with valuable information on a deterministic platform.
I have also used a treadmill to acclimate in preparation for events in climates I am not familiar with. Being able to control temperature, humidity, the flow of air - or lack of. This can be achieved on a treadmill and can be of significant benefit in race prep.
To each their own, but for most of us I think a mix is very healthy. Perhaps with the exception of those lucky few who can pound pavement to no end, where the laws of physics do not apply, not that I have ever met any of those people, but I am sure they exist ;-)
I agree that what works is what we should do. I have a friend who only runs on a treadmill. I'm happy he found what works for him. I just can't find any fun in them.
Always outside, if hot day, go out earlier and sometime that might require a shorter run but it's enjoying the run, enjoying getting into a rhythm and knowing your body and then push just a bit more...
I view the weather as a training method. Rain, wind, cold, heat all pose an experience to be had. Races take place in all kinds of elements. I do enjoy my runs and appreciate the fact that I'm able to run in the rain, etc. Soon it will be cold again and this winter will be different than the last one. This will prepare me for the 10k on New Years Day 2020.
YES! Once I changed my inner dialogue about these things and looked at them as opportunities to get better vs. variables to dread, my runs changed immensely! MO native? STL native here. #gocards
GOCARDS!
Very true cold weather makes me appreciate the hideous long sleeve race shirt i can use as throwaways. Love to run in all types of weather.
Having only been at this thing we call running for going on 2 years now, I still need training plans with a goal race at the end to keep me motivated and on track. However, the last 6 weeks have been trying as I'm dealing with a calf strain that will not go away... I look forward to the day when I'm running for pleasure (I mean, I kinda am now, but with some structure) and not paying attention to time/distance. :)
Bill - Just left a physical therapy session due to a calf strain. It’s been lingering since a HM in early July. Think we finally found out why. Finding the “why” behind your calf strain will help make you stronger in the long term. Hang in there!!
Thanks, Howie. I have an appointment with a PT next week. Fingers crossed!
After the 1/2 marathon I just finished I’m struggling with some kind injury to my upper thigh. It started with a strain on the psoas muscle. I always stretch before hand. I guess I’m training too hard. I always run for pleasure.
I have a plan for building miles, which is working. The times are coming down on their own. I'm a middle of the pack guy, I think of my time more in a range so 10 or 20 seconds a mile don't matter much.
I’m new member: love the heat as long as I have water | Did one half marathon in Jan water at water cups were frozen solid / also was with a group during tornado / took cover til tornado passed Would be interested in everyone’s fav marathon / event or 1/2 Deb in Tx
You know I do it both ways. Some days are smell the roses day Where I purposely stop and look around and enjoy where I’m at. Most times though I’m tied to my cadence my pace my top speed
My running style has not changed other than a bit slower, eat reasonably healthy, still run three days a week consistently and always average about 10 miles in preparation for any half marathon. For a Marathon I'll increase my training distance up to but not more than 17 miles but generally it's a 13 mile run. The energy of other runners, picking up the pace of other runners, especially as I try to identify as best possible people that may look like in my division and always listen to the body and push a bit further. Now in the 75-79 age division next March's L.A. Marathon, my 21st Marathon not all L.A., have done Disney World, Boston, Long Beach, California that had qualified me for Boston, I don't expect to need to change much just continue my Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday morning runs and distance. It's all a pleasure of course and always listen to the old body but never give up. Running is a pleasure ..T.M.I. sorry..
You are awesome... I'm curious, has your longest run pre-marathon always been 17 miles? I am training for marathon #8 (CIM) and always fret about how high the mileage should be. I cap out at 20 miles, but this time I plan to go to 22 miles for longest run. But after reading your post I am now rethinking that strategy.
Yes 17 miles was my furthest in training for a Marathon, If you are a runner you get to know your body and get energy in any race from other runners, always stay positive, stay flexible and effect what you can affect but don't give up even if that means on a marathon you have to walk a bit, then you'll get a second wind and pick up the energy from the other runners. Always just enjoy the run, the rhythm and appreciate the privilege to be able to run. I'll put my coffee down now.
Thanks for the advice! I think I've been focusing too much on the high mileage number in training rather than how I feel.
Different kind of runs- If the course I will be racing on is hilly, rolling hills, flat will of course influence my training a bit. If possible I like to get in a couple of training runs on the actual course that the upcoming race is on. I usually pick a couple of races each year to peak at and a few races just to keep sharp and race without any real time goals.
Training- I will have weekly goals, but these are not written in stone. Leading up to a race I might have a 4 week training block of 300 miles. Will include one run of at least 24 miles. Another week will have several runs between 12-15 miles.
Training pace- I check my warmup (3 miles). Then I break down the run into sections of 2-5 miles. I simply maintain pace as the run continues. I do use my watch (forerunner 15+10). during training. During a race I try not to use the watch.
Cross training- I don't do any. When I'm not running this is the time to rest physically & mentally.
Goals- I try to improve on one or two races I ran the year before. I do like to run different races and distances. I want to feel like I have actually accompolished something so I do tend to pick out harder races. The time might not be as fast as an easy course but if you exceed the time the following year you do see an improvement.
Training runs are simply workouts to get you to reach your racing goals. There are no awards for fast training runs. Just being consistent and injury free should be of the utmost importance when preparing for race day.
I have found it helps to have a goal, or at least some reason to be consistent in running. That being said, I haven't been real strict with the training plan, so I guess I'm winging it. When I started training in January for my first half marathon, it was cold, injured my knee and thought I was making a big mistake. My chiropractor worked with me through the training and said I just couldn't do as much running as my training plan. I still ran 2-3 times a week. I also did a lot of spinning and probably not enough resting because I was worried I wasn't training enough. The half marathon was a success because I finished. I am now training for my 2nd half. It's not cold and I don't have an injury. Running is so much more of a joy. I'm still not running more than 2-3 times a week, but I'm taking more time for rest. My time has improved by 30 minutes. My weekly training routes are very hilly (Connecticut) - lots of short steeps and long gradual inclines, so no other special "hill repeat" workouts are required. However, my long run route is mostly a flat. I found that I actually prefer the hill runs - something I thought I would never hear myself say! I am grateful for the ability and hope it's something I can continue for decades to come - I'm 53 and never thought I would be running a few years ago. I always said I would never do a marathon, but now I'm actually considering it for next year. I don't want running to become something I don't enjoy and I'm afraid marathon training might be too much. However, I do like a good challenge! I think I'll enjoy a few more 13.1's before I make that leap & sign up for 26.2!
before each race I follow my training plan, after that usually October I run just for fun until March, I hate treadmill so always outdoors
I totally agree outdoors all the way. Had rather take a beating than get on a TM for rat miles.
Isn’t it called the dread mill? If I can’t run outside, I usually won’t.
I have done structured running plans with success. I have done intervals to finish painful races. I have walked hours just to get miles on the feet. Done hill work in the middle of the night for Ragnars. Finish, don't puke on anyone, don't die, these have all been goals. Different goals for different times in my life. Recovery runs after injury vs going balls out for a PR when it was freezing. All of those are good and part of who I am as a running, then there are those zen like runs with no plan, no Garmins or monitors or races or waterstops, those are the best that i can remember.
I do tend to “wing it.” I try to get into a good rhythm with breathing etc. and I go from there. It’s all about the rhythm. Music is very helpful. I can’t run with slow music
I assume you liked this comment because you do the same, A Reader? Why don’t you comment and tell us all about your running habits? Are you A Writer as well??
I receive a weekly schedule from my coach, so my runs are planned and with goals and purpose. What is not planned is the route I take, I walk out my front door and then decide on a direction which might change while I am out running. I track my distance and speed on my garmin
If I’m training I have some sort of structured plan, but I also leave with a good better best, in case it’s just not going the way I planned I can still feel accomplished. If I am not training for a race, then I let me legs and body guide me. I compare similar distances performances with the same distances from a year ago to see if my casual and training runs are keeping up or improving to a year ago.
I thrive on setting goals so I plan out every run if training for a race, but I can get a little intense with the planning and dissecting of the data-run pace, time, mileage when training so I make sure I have at least one of my weekly shorter runs where I just "wing it". Run for the pure joy of it and no gadgets. It helps keep balance.
I used to follow a training plan but I faced setbacks with overuse injuries for every half marathon. Now I only run 3 times a week, 4-5 miles twice plus one long run — pyramid up to 10 miles then scale down. On the off days I practice yoga — yin, hatha or hot vinyasa. I trained this way for a half this past March that I wasn’t able to run because I picked up the chikungunya virus in Thailand (which led to 3 additional months on the sideline with chikungunya arthritis). However, the fact that I fully trained without suffering an overuse injury was a breakthrough accomplishment for me. I felt amazing one week out from race day till I got the virus. It took me a while to appreciate this fact but this community helped me to realize and appreciate that underlying success so thank you all for sharing your journeys! Now I’m back in the same training mode for a half in early December and filled with gratitude to be running again!
I wish I could more often wing it. I think it would be really good for me. But I am of the other, more structured using the Hal Higdon training schedule. I was all set to run the Fox Cities half marathon last Sunday, but all events for that day were cancelled an hour before the start due to lightening that accompanied the storms in the area at the time. I was disappointed but I felt mentally okay about it until early afternoon that day and the biggest feeling of inadequacy came over me. About that time is when I would normally begin feeling like a human again with the adrenaline levels returning to baseline. The whole day felt like a waste. That feeling lasted until Tuesday evening when I learned from a friend at my gym that 3 organizations that I am loosely affiliated with joined together to plan to have a turn- by-turn course with water, Gatorade and some fruit stops for THIS Sunday! Fox Cities has indicated that runners could do a virtual run, then provide the verification that you did the run and they will award you the medal. So I am back! All I did since Sunday was a strength and cardio warrior class on M, ran 3 T, yoga boot camp W, and a 30-minute youtube yoga session at home last night. I am excited for Sunday!